Dr. Elliot...I disagree with your position...this country is supposed to be based on equality...an on-going war for some elements of this "free" society. A religious definition of marriage is not necessarily the same as a legal definition...yet denying the term "marriage" to one segment of society is discrimination, pure and simple. How many years ago was it illegal for inter-racial marriages...women couldn't vote...blacks were not allowed "up front"? As we mature as a society and have the time to reflect and observe,we realize that this word "marriage" signifies love,
respect, duty and above all--commitment. There should not be any denial of the same rights for any part of our present day society. Please rethink your position in a less judgmental way...this is not about sex...it IS about the same rights you and I have.

I have no issue with gay marriage. what I am interested in is what changed the mind of Delegate Krebs...was it a political strategy for the upcoming Senate seat she will run for??? (Kittleman's) or is this what she now believes....

Since this bill is causing so much furor, with the minority being the loudest (libs), then by all means let it go to referendum. We already have the in-state tuition for illegals bill going to referendum. Why not have two and let the voters have their say?

So I gather from this that Krebs did change her mind? I think that is awesome, regardless of the reason behind it! So excited and I hope that is indeed the case!

I do not believe the government should be involved in ANY marriage....PERIOD! This is all about money and once you allow government to become involved in a personal issue such as family/marriage, government has crossed the line and is on it's way to violating your liberties....What did that licens that I paid for to marry prove to the government and society about my fitness for the task? ZIP...NADA....NOTHIN!!!! It's all about money and control....

According to an aide in Delgate Susan Krebs office and her website, she remains against same-sex marriage. She has voted against it in the past and her aide expects she will continue to do so.

So, did Patch make an error in not including comment from Krebs on her position against gay marriage? And what is the position of Stocksdale?

You delegates and so called politicans who are trying to run our lives like how many commissioners we ought to have in Carroll County and how many liquor stores are allowed and lots of other dumb ideas, why dont you ask for a state referendum allowing for gays or who ever wants to marry. One thing these legislators with the exception of Senator Getty, should know because of a free market society, we are the wealthest Capitalist Nation in the world

Frazier should know that lots of married couples do not want children. Thats their american right to feel that way. Those legislators who only want marriage between a man and a woman, why dont they place a state referendum and let us vote like we did when 5 county commissioners was enacted into law and while they act on that , with the exception of Senator Joseph Getty, stop enacting legislation as to how many liquor stores are allowed in Carroll county, Remember Carroll County Legislators, because of a free market society, we are the wealthest Capitalist Nation in the world. Lets keep it that way.

there should be a mandated law in Carroll County setting in motion on how we can get rid of elected politicans by a recall vote, especiall the delegates of Carroll County and four of the five county Commissioners

I like my Commissioners.....

Jo Ann. If you like your commissioners, why dont you invite all of them to dinner at your house . Better still dont do that cause you wont learn anything.

They are welcomed anytime to my house for dinner, as if that is some effective reply to my statement...LOL....

please explain in detail what your charges are to the unethical, illegal and pointless behaviors are...then point me to the law which supports your charge....Anyone that knows me knows I keep personal feelings completely separate from political philosophy. I look to the law when I judge a steward which is involved in any of our branches of government, therefore, I ask you deliver here on Patch a detailed synopsis of your charge..

I'm not able to see what law the Commissioners have violated by your links. The Plan Maryland forum was funded by donations from taxpayers interested in hearing the group of speakers who had an opposing view to man made global warming and climate change. The State refused to fund the forum and you same folks who now charge they violated an open door meeting policywere having a tizzy over your tax dollars paying for it. The Commissioners position on gay marriage is also a position they've taken...What is illegal or unethical about this? Plea site the law they have broken.

Not to appear unkind...but you only have knowledge of snippets of information on some of these things...if you honestly and truly want a complete picture--it can be provided to you. There was no "request" to the State about any forum...am curious just what left field that came out of... The Commissioners as individuals have every right to their personal opinion and to state it as well...the ethical issue is presented when their personal opinions are represented as Commissioners of Carroll County. There is a huge difference...there ARE laws, and there are Ethic regulations in writing that are available to you easily. I even read the major issue at the Open Mtg. this past Thursday... but this Board's attitude is:::::let 'em sue us....

listen, YOU are the one who is charging the Commissioners have acted illegally and unethically...I am asking YOU to site the law or regulation that they violated....If you cannot do so, then your remarks are unfounded.

Yawn.....

Here ya go.....from the Maryland Constitution....but this may be beyond "yawns" pay grade.....Art. 36. That as it is the duty of every man to worship God in such manner as he thinks most acceptable to Him, all persons are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty; wherefore, no person ought by any law to be molested in his person or estate, on account of his religious persuasion, or profession, or for his religious practice, unless, under the color of religion, he shall disturb the good order, peace or safety of the State, or shall infringe the laws of morality, or injure others in their natural, civil or religious rights; nor ought any person to be compelled to frequent, or maintain, or contribute, unless on contract, to maintain, any place of worship, or any ministry; nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God, and that under His dispensation such person will be held morally accountable for his acts, and be rewarded or punished therefor either in this world or in the world to come.

Nothing shall prohibit or require the making reference to belief in, reliance upon, or invoking the aid of God or a Supreme Being in any governmental or public document, proceeding, activity, ceremony, school, institution, or place.

Thanks for posting that JoAnn. Article 36 clearly explains why there should be neither a ban on gay marriage nor a legal definition of marriage. It does, however, clarify that no church or citizen must engage in gay marriage should it violate the laws of their religion or personal morality.
Don't we, the county and the state, have more important things to worry about than who marries who?

Amen!!!

@Buck....because your Governor and Maryland General Assembly touched it first....

Jo Ann You now sound like a preacher but getting back to you on the Plan Maryland meeting , that meeting was illegal becuse it was a closed meeting for a few paid attendees.Why should the State of Maryland pay for that meeting, when the meeting was called by the Carroll County Commissioners I hope you are intelligent enough to comprehend this statement . If you cant , Amen??????????????

And YOU sound like you may be a bigot towards religion or "preachers"....Sounds like a personal problem to me....along with the Plan Md. Meeting....AMEN!!! LOL

JoAnn...interesting read...Act 36. I am accepting that as you describe it...can you give me the reference point where you found it???Especially the date...when it was written...because there are contorted statements within what you have quoted that for one reason or another have become obsolete, or illegal, or just the mores of society have changed. Back at that point in time, women probably had no vote and were considered chattle..blacks were not allowed any rights...and a nickle was nickle...You still do not understand the history of Plan Maryland and have not answered me as to why you think that the state "refused" to have an environmental forum...if you can explain it, there are a lot of people who can tell you the real history... There were two public hearings on the matter, and a couple of our commissioners did not like what they heard, and do not believe the science as it is generally accepted and proven...so they decided to bring in a couple of quasi-scientists and at our expense, hold a closed meeting (which has been decided as being such), picked their own so-called scientists to present a point of view that THEY believed in and held it out of our county...there is a string of information about this whole matter...if you have the dedication to find Art. 36, you should avail yourself of this information as well to make a better balanced observation.

It's found in the Maryland Constitution Declaration of Rights....And save your spew of doing a better job at investigating the behaviors of politicians for your friends thank you....this is a full time job that is unpaid for me...

Interesting word choices???? so is accusing people of illegal and unethical acts...and yes, I know the Constitution isn't of any substance to you....

Jo Ann are you related to any politican. You sound like a person is on a one way street your way or the highway . By the way as a Roman Catholic, I do have religious beliefs geared only by my church.

No, I have no relation to any politician....and I realize the Constitution is a shock to those who wish to shove their agenda down every citizens throat, like it or not......tyrants don't like it when they are shown the body of law that this BOC swore to defend and uphold, do they????? It sort of, blows a big hole in your gig......

Jo Ann. I would not arge with that Judy Smith cause she is welll over your head. She says what she means and means what she says. Your no match for her. In fact Jo Ann, she seems to be a bit smarter than you in every way. By the way, have you ever worked in the Attorney General's Office as you seem like you like to interpet the state laws .

JoAnn--for Pete's sake...take a chill pill..."tyrants"?? The only part of "tyrants" is RANTS.. If you had a reasonable interpretation of that particular Act 36 and the date this document was put into practice, along with whatever changes may have occurred since the original was adopted...I might have more respect for your position. And, I am confident that you are familiar with State Constitutions and Federal Constitutions...they can, and do differ--but the Federal usurps the State in such cases as we are discussing. Have you ever seen the pamphlet in the Ethics office at the Carroll County office building??? That office is the first one on your left as you go into the old portion of the building...they have copies available...and perhaps you will be able to read, or have it explained about the Commissioner serving the citizens of CC in an impartial way---not something they are doing about this issue. Hey--Romeo--thanks!!

I'm really scared Romeo....big bad Judy...LOL!!!

Judy, stop the RANT and file an ethics charge against the Commissioners for Pete's sake....

Ms Smith, I would not provide any more comments to Jo Ann, she doe not even talk like she graduated from even a high school. It seem like all she wnats to do is argue and our argument is certainly noy geared to her

constitution got cha rattled eh??? LOL...sell it to the Frances Fox Piven crowd with your personal attacks.....

Check out this interesting website www.eyeoncarroll.com. Someone posted that on another blog on Patch several days ago. But I got it from an email that someone sent me.