Patch Poll: Should Carroll County Designate English As the Official Language?
Tell us in our poll or in comments if English should be the official language of Carroll County government.
The Board of Carroll County Commissioners will discuss a proposed ordinance to make English the official language in Carroll County this Thursday.
Commissioner Haven Shoemaker said he has patterned the proposed ordinance after a similar measure passed in Frederick County in February.
"Unfortunately today, many immigrants don't embrace our language or culture," Shoemaker said. "This, in the future, will have a deleterious effect on America from a social standpoint, and for our ability to compete economically."
David Rocah, staff attorney for the ACLU of Maryland, said the Carroll County proposed ordinance is "a pointless, mean-spirited, and self-contradictory law that seeks to address a non-existent problem."
The Board of Commissioners is scheduled to discuss this ordinance in open session Thursday afternoon at 1:30 p.m. at the County Office Building.
Do you think the commissioners should designate English as the official language in Carroll County? Tell us in comments or weigh in on our poll.
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Michael
3:13 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Why would anyone vote against having English as the official language of Carroll Co., Maryland, or of the entire United States? We are an English speaking country. The fact that we are being invaded by illegal aliens who don't speak OUR language should not be a consideration. If all these illegals want to live here, make them learn English or send them back to wherever they came from.
CJ Lind
1:05 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
I so agree with you.
JoeEldersburg
3:19 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
So why is non-English speaking a problem in Carroll exactly? The hispanic population is roughly 2% in Carroll, a quarter of which are under the age of 18. In Montgomery it's over 17%, but still they don't seem to have the need to do something so ignorant. Frederick has Blaine Young and a bunch of similarly xenophobic Tea Party nuts running their county, so it's not surprising that they felt the need to bash hispanics. Let's hope our Commissioners don't give into the temptation to show how stupid they are by following Frederick County's solution to a non-existent problem. How about concentrating on doing something that actually promotes jobs and the hiring of workers, instead of scaring them away? Oh, I almost forgot, this is the same group of dopes who killed our airport expansion that the Feds were paying 98% of...they'd rather pander to the Tea Party nuts and the real estate & development interests like Frederick County's Commissioners, than actually do something about the local economy!
Chris E
4:04 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Joe explain to my how making the language we speak official ignorant. By the way my husband who is Hispanic born to a Spanish mother is Spain 100% supports English officially being the language so tell me how that is bashing Hispanic when some of them agree?
Mike Eldersburg
9:00 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Don't believe in the local ecomomy impact BS as most illegal workers send most income back to their county to the relatives that are still there
Jack
3:38 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
You know we're in trouble when someone starts comparing Carroll to Montgomery! I have a great idea how we can promote jobs, deport all the illegals so Americans can get hired to do those jobs and actually keep the money they make in this country to fuel the economy. Measures like this let people know what we expect if you want to do business here.
It's hard to even communicate with a large number of the people you encounter in Montgomery county, we have friends that live there and can't wait to get out, it's just not a community in the true sense of the word. I hope Carroll never even closely resembles what Montgomery county is like.
On the airport I'm with Joe 100% can't believe they killed that expansion!!
JoeEldersburg
6:38 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Jack, please re-read what I said...Montgomery has more than 8 times the percentage of Spanish speaking people and with a million people, almost 100 thousand more Hispanic citizens, yet somehow their government doesn't seem to feel that English is being "threatened". I don't want or expect Carroll to ever become Montgomery. The problem is being exclusionary and this is indeed perceived very subtly as bigotry. As several have said here on Patch, if there is truly a concern about our American culture being overrun, as Rothschild has indicated, why not invest more in English speaking programs instead of promoting a policy that screams "immigrants are not welcome here". I'm quite aware that many illegals and legals send money back home and this is their right, but they also do many jobs that frankly even unemployed Americans won't do, which you may not want to admit This is especially true with certain trades and jobs that require little or no education (or English). The vast majority of these hardworking people pay taxes and educate their children to speak English, because of the opportunities it presents for their children to have a better life than them. They are not looking for us all to learn Spanish, but not having access to enough adult English classes certainly will make it more difficult for them to assimilate.
Jack
7:11 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Joe, I do understand what you are saying but Montgomery is a terrible example to use. I go there frequently to visit our best friends and its not the community feel we have here, some but not all immigrants don't even try to assimilate. Our friends come here to visit us and always comment on how friendly and polite everyone is everywhere we go. That is absolutely not the case in Montgomery county generally speaking from my experience. I don't fear American culture being overrun I fear the sense of community I grew up with is disappearing as some of the people that come here have no interest in being part of our community, they want to live here with all the great benefits our country affords without becoming one with us. A country within a country is what some of them are building. I welcome them with open arms and am so tired of hearing bigot, racist, every time you disagree with someone. Yes many do the jobs others don't want to do but that's a tired excuse, they do many well paying jobs and have moved far beyond those jobs which is a credit to their work ethic. I'm tired of hearing how they're just farm hands and janitors they do many of the jobs people reading this perform.
I still don't understand this rage about a proposal so many say will do nothing. If that's true why are you all so against it? It defines a language standard to conduct business with, period.
jeffrey fiske
3:59 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
the commissioners should stick to solving real problems. i'd like to think Carroll County is a welcoming place based on how people behave not which language they speak. Declaring english the "official" language has as much power as national "blank" appreciation day except it's set up as a snub instead of an appreciation.
Steve
5:42 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
What a bunch of Yahoo's!
Maybe they can invite the phony British Lord back to give a talk on the subject......
Richard Rothschild
9:55 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I want to weigh-in on 3 matters related to the need to declare English our "official" language:
First, I motorcycle all over America, and whether its Shenandoah, Virginia; Grand Island, Nebraska; or Greeley Colorado, a disturbing pattern of employment discrimination has developed. I increasingly meet & talk to young well-spoken college graduates that cannot get jobs in their OWN HOME TOWNS because they do NOT speak the language of a foreign country. It is patently unacceptable to see American students driven-out of their home towns because they speak "only English". How would you feel if your own daughter said, "Sorry mom, I have to move and relocate to an area where English is still acceptable" ?
Second, as a country that purportedly embraces diversity, why is it that anyone that defends the American culture, American heritage, or American language (English) is subject to attack or ridicule? In spite of the negative banter that self loathing leftists choose to believe about America, traditional America is still a great culture worthy of defending. We make NO APOLOGIES FOR DEFENDING OUR CULTURE; OUR LEGACY; OUR HERITAGE; OR OUR LANGUAGE.
Third, although Carroll has no serious language problem at this point in time, I applaud Commissioner Shoemaker for his initiative. The best way to protect against this problem is through preemptive measures that prevent it from ever becoming a problem.
- Commissioner Richard Rothschild, Unwavering Conservative Leadership
Friedhard
9:45 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
"Commissioner Richard Rothschild, Unwavering Conservative Bigotry"
JoeEldersburg
5:41 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
"a disturbing pattern of employment discrimination has developed...it is patently unacceptable to see American students driven-out of their home towns because they speak only English"...You couldn't possibly make something this ridiculous up on your own, so where do you get this stuff? Is it the John Birch Society or maybe some white supremacist hate blog like your pal Jim Simpson's? How about a dose of the truth here: well spoken college graduates cannot get jobs in their own home towns because there are no jobs that match their skills. Almost 70% of newly minted graduates are unemployed, not because they aren't bilingual, but because they have the wrong degrees and zero work experience. Our economy is adding jobs very slowly, but it will take years to assimilate the 6 million jobs that "W" presided over being lost (outsourced) while corporate CEO's and Wall Street printed money. Wake up! People are relocating to where the jobs are, which in case you didn't notice are in this geographic area. Just not in Carroll, because you and your ilk think that sprawling housing developments, Chick-Fil-A's and Royal Farms represent strong economic development ideas. You killed our airport's expansion, slashed $500,000 from the Econ. Dev. budget and killed a number of already budgeted projects, which would have enhanced our lagging infrastructure. You will likely continue to gut job training and flat fund our schools. You are not a good leader, conservative or not!
Bonnie Grady
9:56 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
What's next for these bigoted, self-righteous Tea Party fanatics...white sheets and torches? Just when we thought Carroll County had moved beyond its disgraceful past. In 1995, I had an intern who lived in Baltimore City. When we had an assignment in New Windsor, she refused to come to work. She later confided that it was because she was terrified. She told me she had grown up hearing horrible stories about Carroll County and what people here do to young black women. My heart ached for her. It also ached because of what this said about our community. Are we really going back there? Are we really going to let these crazy commissioners take us back there? Speak up Carroll County!
Native
8:50 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Oh good grief. Do you actually believe this? You don't have an agenda to further, do you Bonnie?
Bonnie Grady
10:05 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Oh my gosh! Is it 2014 yet? Commissioner, you are an embarrassment!
Colleen Rinaldo
8:10 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Why would this question even be brought up anywhere in this county or this country. We are an English speaking nation. When you come here from another country, learn to speak English like our forefathers did. Fit in! Don't try to start your own nation.
CJ Lind
11:20 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
I agree Colleen. Pretty soon we will all have to learn Spanish instead of them learning English. My father immigrated here from another country...LEGALLY I might add, and he LEARNED ENGLISH! I think some of these naysayers should watch the movie "They Come To America". There are, indeed, college educated individuals who can not find employment in their own hometown because they do not speak Spanish. This is very prevalent in Florida and I'm sure other states as well. Check it out.
Michael
3:57 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
When did Carroll County start allowing loud-mouthed, left-wing liberals to live there? One of Maryland's last true bastions of American Conservatism is obviously under attack by these socialist anti-American kooks!!
Kathy
6:35 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
I believe that all Government activities in the County should be conducted in English. But guess what? They already are. This resolution will accomplish nothing and is a waste of time.
Commissioner R Rothschild
11:42 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
The resolution will ensure all government business continues to be conducted in English, and any future required translation is done at the expense of peititioners, not taxpayers.
- Commissioner Richard Rothschild.
Judith M. Smith
11:38 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012
I'm not sure that RR is correct about being able to pass along expenses for translation...it may be illegal under Federal laws. Worth checking into, but I have to go dust right now. This whole thing is a waste of time, money, emotion and just a political statement which an awful lot of taxpayers resent.
Buck Harmon
8:38 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Rothschild, You speak in illusion here..why can't you provide some facts to back up the claim that Carroll might have to pay huge sums for possible future translators?
Very weak argument coming from a Commissioner....but maybe a little better than Shoemakers~"I don't want to have to push 2 anymore" boob statement.
aveteran
5:23 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Commissioner, how many of Carroll County's laws contain Latin legal terms? Looks like your plan will void a number of laws and contracts. Are you prepared to explain the expense of correcting that to county residents?
Buck Harmon
8:32 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Rothschild and Shoemaker thrive in the realm of bigotry....this stunt is to make a political statement that will only cater to their own specific Carroll Tea Party agenda...
Far from sound perceived leadership working to improve life in Carroll.
MaryAnn
3:57 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012
What a wonderful economic development welcome for the owners of the new building near the airport and for all the professionals who have come here with other than English names!! Spanish was the first European language spoken in the continental US. German was once a predominant language here.